ope:as much as I am happy about my winning bet, and I am, I am happier because I haven't lost my knack of being able to watch and figure out soccer.
What a dick gerhard houlier is, what a absolute moron. Here you ve got your team that all game long while they are pressing upfront and in the midfield have dominated the game, they ve accepted very few chances against them, and they ve been far more dangerous upfront. Come the 60something minute and he signals reatreat, the italians which at no point they did take up possesion in midfield gladly accept this unexpected gift, this stupidity of unpressedented proportions, and do what they do best long balls into the area (because pirlo was crap and is out, kaka is horrible today) and hopefully something will happen, and of course it will if you keep attacking.
And then it happens 1 goal on the 88th, then lyon don't know what hit them and another to make it 3-1.
That's not to say that the value play was milan here, as the game demostrated lyon were the right side, too bad they got a bozo on the bench.
What a fucking dick...pisses me off to see such a good team being wasted upon him...
What a dick gerhard houlier is, what a absolute moron. Here you ve got your team that all game long while they are pressing upfront and in the midfield have dominated the game, they ve accepted very few chances against them, and they ve been far more dangerous upfront. Come the 60something minute and he signals reatreat, the italians which at no point they did take up possesion in midfield gladly accept this unexpected gift, this stupidity of unpressedented proportions, and do what they do best long balls into the area (because pirlo was crap and is out, kaka is horrible today) and hopefully something will happen, and of course it will if you keep attacking.
And then it happens 1 goal on the 88th, then lyon don't know what hit them and another to make it 3-1.
That's not to say that the value play was milan here, as the game demostrated lyon were the right side, too bad they got a bozo on the bench.
What a fucking dick...pisses me off to see such a good team being wasted upon him...
JackDee said:
Nice call Jack on the pissing it away. I will say this, as an Italian, it is nice to see SOMEONE ELSE piss away a game TO AN ITALIAN TEAM b/c they decide to get conservative. I can't begin to list the times I have seen the Azzurri do this over the years.
Yes, but also the Lyon wasnt that deep, if you see, their goal was a real effort goal, not a pretty one or even with work, they didnt have great opportunities up front, I agree, they dominate the game for about 70 minutes, but they werent dangerous, just have field and time possession, but they didnt go too deep or were dangerous to Dida, if you ask me, I think the only thing dangerous to Dida today, was Dida, he was lose all game long, very insecure, dont know why, well, again, AC Milan qualifies based on their mentallity just like the big teams.
To me, was a repetition of the PSV game last year, PSV dominates but they were more dangerous up front, and still didnt qualify
To me, was a repetition of the PSV game last year, PSV dominates but they were more dangerous up front, and still didnt qualify
I am sure you have fh, but at least italians know how to do this right, actually they are masters at this, you can't take a by nature athletic team, young, talented, and attacking and have theym retreat they don't know how to do this, I mean I was in disbelief, this was one of the worst milan performances I ve seen in a long time, no one except maybe nesta, inzaghi and zeerdof, even managed to get to 60% of their capacity, but to tell you the truth, I wanted milan to go through because I am a fan, and I like certain players they have. And it's a very gutsy thing to go through with costacourta maldini playing as left back, and abrosini, anceloti won the coache's war hands down.
That said, as I watched the game, I kept thinking, hence the post, fuck he's gonna blow it away, one team is by far better than the other and he's gonna throw all that away... I mean it might not have happened of course, but tacticswise it was a choke...
That said, as I watched the game, I kept thinking, hence the post, fuck he's gonna blow it away, one team is by far better than the other and he's gonna throw all that away... I mean it might not have happened of course, but tacticswise it was a choke...
fhmesq44 said:
yep, he tends to be insecure, but we have to say that he has great personality, is a big fella in the middle of the 3 bars and intimidate, sometimes you may think that isnt important, but when you are a forward, you know that is important, like all the sports football is physical and very psychologic also
"Yes, but also the Lyon wasnt that deep, if you see, their goal was a real effort goal, not a pretty one or even with work, they didnt have great opportunities up front, I agree, they dominate the game for about 70 minutes, but they werent dangerous, just have field and time possession, but they didnt go too deep or were dangerous to Dida, if you ask me, I think the only thing dangerous to Dida today, was Dida, he was lose all game long, very insecure, dont know why, well, again, AC Milan qualifies based on their mentallity just like the big teams."
I agree, (of course they did have a header on the crossbar too) but neither milan was dangerous up to the 70th minute, that's what I am saying, that nothing warranted such a retreat, just panic, going all back doesn't mean defending better, milan couldn't carry the ball, why give them all the space to do so, that's the gift, that for me is wrong tactics, horrible tactics, at least if you keep pushing up front you stand the chance for a goal too, otherwise you don't stand a chance for anything. This guy gets paid what a few million a year, and what does he figure out to do? Put carrew in who is faster for the counter attack, have all the team retreat, and use two right backs on serginio, pretty fucking genius...
I agree, (of course they did have a header on the crossbar too) but neither milan was dangerous up to the 70th minute, that's what I am saying, that nothing warranted such a retreat, just panic, going all back doesn't mean defending better, milan couldn't carry the ball, why give them all the space to do so, that's the gift, that for me is wrong tactics, horrible tactics, at least if you keep pushing up front you stand the chance for a goal too, otherwise you don't stand a chance for anything. This guy gets paid what a few million a year, and what does he figure out to do? Put carrew in who is faster for the counter attack, have all the team retreat, and use two right backs on serginio, pretty fucking genius...
Jack, just got done watching the game and I half agree with you. Lyon definitely fucked up getting conservative in the last 20 minutes. However, I thought the game was fairly even until that point. Not that Milan played great, or even well, but they were fairly dangerous and had a fair number of scoring opportunities, probably more than Lyon. Neither defense was very good at all. Frankly, the best defense for each team was their own offensive attack. Dida was a mess. The guy is a clown and with that soft Brazilian back four, he may cost Brazil the world cup. Cafu, if healthy, can't pick up all of the slack. At some point Roberto Carlos, Cicinho, Roque Jr., and Serginio (depending who starts) are going to have to play defense and frankly none of them do it well. Kaka is non-existent these days, last three or four games I have seen he hasn't done much. Milan was fortunate to get through just as they were against PSV last year.
fh, thanks for the reply bro, when I said Lyon was doing well, I meant compared from what you d expect from a milan team at home, they had good pace, and good control of the game, and to that respect we completely agree that "Frankly, the best defense for each team was their own offensive attack." That's exactly the reason why I saw the big choke job approaching. And I am sure you saw all that space lyon where giving up in the end and how they retreated. I agree with your observations of the brazilian defence, let's keep this angle in mind for our world cup bets.
Let also say once again how carlo anceloti by far outplayed houlier on the bench, I mean you d expect him, most "coaches" would just put gilardino in to have another offensive player and rui costa for some ball control and vertical passing, but instead of that he took some really gutsy steps in putting Maldini in instead and Ambrosini, to have two more powerful, more experience and spirited players, despite them being more defence oriented, and that for me made all the difference. I got to give it to him.
Man of the match for me is Pipo Inzaghi, this guy's got some big soccer personality, did you notice that the attack for the second goal actually started when pipo pissed off at the way things were going actually travelled all the way from the attack to under the midfield in milans area marked a lyon player, stole the ball, and then went all the way back, and that's how the second goal begun.
I sure hope for the italians lippi starts seeing all this.
Let also say once again how carlo anceloti by far outplayed houlier on the bench, I mean you d expect him, most "coaches" would just put gilardino in to have another offensive player and rui costa for some ball control and vertical passing, but instead of that he took some really gutsy steps in putting Maldini in instead and Ambrosini, to have two more powerful, more experience and spirited players, despite them being more defence oriented, and that for me made all the difference. I got to give it to him.
Man of the match for me is Pipo Inzaghi, this guy's got some big soccer personality, did you notice that the attack for the second goal actually started when pipo pissed off at the way things were going actually travelled all the way from the attack to under the midfield in milans area marked a lyon player, stole the ball, and then went all the way back, and that's how the second goal begun.
I sure hope for the italians lippi starts seeing all this.
First of all, Forza Milan...Forza Rossoneri!!
Second of all, holy shit, crazy game. Great win but this one could have gone either way. If the defense plays like this against Barca (assuming they get past Benfica), Ronalinho and the rest will score 3+ goals.
Thirdly, how about Super Pippo! Great game from Inzaghi and he's making a huge case to replace Vieri. His celebrations are hilarious.
Second of all, holy shit, crazy game. Great win but this one could have gone either way. If the defense plays like this against Barca (assuming they get past Benfica), Ronalinho and the rest will score 3+ goals.
Thirdly, how about Super Pippo! Great game from Inzaghi and he's making a huge case to replace Vieri. His celebrations are hilarious.
JackDee said:
Got it on Lyon, yes, there was definitely MUCH more space when they went with their defensive substitutions. It was more their mentality than the substitutions that cost them the game. Agree on Ancellotti, ballsy moves putting those guys in. Going back to my "how can Lippi take Vieri over Pippo". I am now getting to the point that I am wondering how Gila can start over Pippo come the world cup.
Yeah, funny, I actually did notice that. Noticed a few other times when he was back marking some guys. Agree that he was MOM, no other real option. He is an absolute predator in the penalty area, especially the 6 yard box. It will be a travesty if (and likely when) he is left off the team for that worthless POS Vieri. I thought Gattusso played the best game I ever recalling that thug play. Probably second only to Pippo. I can't stand Gattusso, don't think he brings anything to the table and that he is a complete thug.
Hold on a second ...
Everyone knows he plays recklessly...but to say he doesn't bring anything to the table, is rediculous.
There aren't many players who can bring the same intensity; game in - game out,as Reno does.
He is one of the few athletes in all of sports, who gives it his all on a daily basis.
fhmesq44 said:
Everyone knows he plays recklessly...but to say he doesn't bring anything to the table, is rediculous.
There aren't many players who can bring the same intensity; game in - game out,as Reno does.
He is one of the few athletes in all of sports, who gives it his all on a daily basis.
Fine, he brings intensity, but other than late tackles, dirty tackles, yellow cards and perhaps fear in the opponents heads, what does he bring ot the table from a footballing standpoint? He does little to nothing offensively and defensively (as noted) he is a thug who rarely makes a clean tackle.
"He is one of the few athletes in all of sports, who gives it his all on a daily basis."
True, xcept for the term athlete, that wouldn't really qualify for me. I d like him in my team, but If I ever came across him on the street I d beat the shit out of him (he'd probably beat the shit out of me first though, he, he...)
True, xcept for the term athlete, that wouldn't really qualify for me. I d like him in my team, but If I ever came across him on the street I d beat the shit out of him (he'd probably beat the shit out of me first though, he, he...)
